Dark Zone? More like Kiddie Zone...

[Phamdohbreh]

There are many ways they could go about having a sever punishment for going rouge. As in not being able to use your skill's if  you go rouge. You could also make it enticing to go rouge with big rewards but with very big down sides. Make it so you will get a big reward if you survive like it is now but make the down side so big that just randomly picking on people wouldn't be worth it. That's really what it comes down to is the people who randomly pick of other people in this game nothing but bully's that are online.

Sorry but I can't say I agree. I understand your frustration with your work being squandered by rouges but it is the name of the game after all. The DZ is meant to have that element of uncertainty and risk. If penalties and disadvantageous are intensified for those that go rouge, then no one will go rouge and if no one goes rouge, then what's the point in even having a DZ? 

I'd hate to be one of those guys that just reply with "get better" but I took my own advice and did exactly that. Sure, you can say I have a job, kids, cant play all day, etc etc etc. Well guess what? I do too! Something you could do is farm phoenix creds from missions to get geared well enough to hold your own in the DZ and party up with others to increase the chance of survival. Most of the stuff you get from the DZ are garbage in comparison to H-E gear you craft from blueprints anyways. 

Need help getting your character up to par? I'm on Xbox, shoot me a message letting me know you are from the forum and I'd be happy to help get you some phoenix creds. GT: Phamdohbreh

 

[YonderBen]

i'd hate to be one of those guys that just reply with "get better" but I took my own advice and did exactly that.

I don't think that's the whole story. I've been gaming for two and a bit decades and I'm reasonably proficient at it. Of course I'm no God of the Thumb Stick but I can certainly hold my own.

That being said, I was completely smashed the other night by two guys the same lvl as me intent on being rouge. Me and a friend (a bit of a tourist but a nice guy) just couldn't survive more than ten mins in the DZ. These two weren't using cover or any other tactic, just run and shoot. I'd guess they were using gear they had looted from other players. The rewards for being rouge are too high, if you want to play the game without being a #ick you're at a disadvantage.

 

[OG InZane]

The dz is what it is. They're not bullies they're just playing the game a different way than you are. The dz was explained how it was gonna be before hand especially if you played the beta. Yea it can be aggravating sometimes when you are solo and keep getting picked off. I've went through it plenty of times when none of my friends were online when I was but that's what matchmaking and all of the lfg sites are there for. Like the other guy said I hate to be the guy that just say "get good" but that's pretty much what it come down to, or get a team together. Oh and one more thing is the rewards you get for going rouge aren't "too high" as you said. All you get for going rouge is dz funds and ep unless you get lucky and the person you kill drops something good and that rarely happens. Not trying to be and ass that's just my outlook on all of it 

 

[Charlie86]

Doubtful for what Ubisoft intended this area for, it seems that "ganksquads" are now running rampant and ruining any type of enjoyment that could have been found there.  Then again, maybe they just threw this in for the wannabe online gangsters to get their jollies.  After spending more time in there and seeing the results of time spent trying to get past 21 only to level down to nearly 19 because people thought it "fun" to flag one person they were running with in order to procure the gear I had spent time working for, I'm easily done with this area.  Either change the design altogether or fix the ability to exploit the present mechanics.  As it stands for me, this is the largest flaw in what I thought was a solid game.   Bear in mind this is my own viewpoint on things as they currently stand, being that I just don't have all day to sit home and play it's rather annoying to deal with factors like this when you want to experience and explore every facet of the game.

It seriously went from massively severe to a slap on the wrist for punishments for dying as a rogue 

 

[x Risky Kill]

That being said, I was completely smashed the other night by two guys the same lvl as me intent on being rouge. Me and a friend (a bit of a tourist but a nice guy) just couldn't survive more than ten mins in the DZ. These two weren't using cover or any other tactic, just run and shoot. I'd guess they were using gear they had looted from other players. The rewards for being rouge are too high, if you want to play the game without being a #ick you're at a disadvantage.

That's all about them having better gear, which was probably earned from boss farming. No such thing as a fair fight in a loot and shoot. Someone is always going to have a superior weapon with superior gear. 

 

[YonderBen]

That's all about them having better gear, which was probably earned from boss farming. No such thing as a fair fight in a loot and shoot. Someone is always going to have a superior weapon with superior gear. 

I get that, I'm an avid dark souls player. But it takes all the fun out of the game when you have people camping the entrances to harvest player kills. I like the fact the DZ is unpredictable and dangerous but all it takes is three or four players to trash the experience by taking things too far. If you've acquired better gear than me that's great, kill me off and take my loot but spam killing me cant be that rewarding right? Like I said, it's only happened once but it did hinder my enjoyment and that's the only reason I play games, to enjoy them.

 

[Blazzen67]

I get that, I'm an avid dark souls player. But it takes all the fun out of the game when you have people camping the entrances to harvest player kills. I like the fact the DZ is unpredictable and dangerous but all it takes is three or four players to trash the experience by taking things too far. If you've acquired better gear than me that's great, kill me off and take my loot but spam killing me cant be that rewarding right? Like I said, it's only happened once but it did hinder my enjoyment and that's the only reason I play games, to enjoy them.

camping entrances can be a major pain, but the way to combat that is to either leave the dark zone entirely and go back in, its my understanding that you will be put in a different instance, and they will be gone (or log off the game, and reload it) ...or...when they kill you just spawn in at another location, come around behind them and take them out. Unfortunately, there is no way to take the a-hole out of some people. they will be a problem in any game like this...just got to find a way to even the odds and fight them off i guess.

 

[x Risky Kill]

I get that, I'm an avid dark souls player. But it takes all the fun out of the game when you have people camping the entrances to harvest player kills. I like the fact the DZ is unpredictable and dangerous but all it takes is three or four players to trash the experience by taking things too far. If you've acquired better gear than me that's great, kill me off and take my loot but spam killing me cant be that rewarding right? Like I said, it's only happened once but it did hinder my enjoyment and that's the only reason I play games, to enjoy them.

If they're camping the dz you're at fast travel to a different entrance. Most bad experiences people are having seem to be something that can be avoided by going elsewhere. Not optimal but an option none the less

 

[YonderBen]

If they're camping the dz you're at fast travel to a different entrance. Most bad experiences people are having seem to be something that can be avoided by going elsewhere. Not optimal but an option none the less

as said before, the trolls will get bored soon enough and move onto the next big title leaving those that want to play the game to it.

 

[quinch1199]

In my opinion (and hope) most of these Trolls and Griefers will leave when the next "big AAA" title comes out. They're easily distracted by new shiny things. My hope is things settle down as the title matures. 

 

[MichFan]

Again as many have already said this is exactly what the DZ was designed for. You can't call for a higher punishment as that is exactly what the last update was for, to LESSEN the punishment for going Rogue because no one was doing it. If you and your friends are having problems in a certain DZ server then either enter someplace else and stay far away from the red skulls or quit the game and come back in and it should place you in a difference server. 

 

[Voyager42]

I had such a HORRIBLE experience in the DZ last night. I got ambushed. Not by other players but by those damn NPC's. I was focused on a named NPC and his cronies and was doing a fair bit of damage. Close to taking them out. Another group of lower level NPC's comes from down the street. No big deal. I just have to keep an eye on them. But then.....about 6 guys creep up the street behind me. I was trapped. No way to run. No way to fight my way out. So I cursed the NPC god's and went on my way. 

 

[Loco]

Had a group of rogues camping the dz1 checkpoint at w31st last night. They were all above 50, one as high as 68, just roguing for XP I guess, but they were unkillable for our group, lvls 31-46.  

 

[Voyager42]

See that's one thing I don't like. I love the Wild West aspect of the DZ. Its frustrating at times but its fun overall. But camping the checkpoint is crap. I remember playing Arma and a group of people would sit on the hill and camp the spawn point. Absolutely nothing you could do. Oh how I hate spawn (or checkpoint) campers. 

 

[KillaAkuma]

Sorry but I can't say I agree. I understand your frustration with your work being squandered by rouges but it is the name of the game after all. The DZ is meant to have that element of uncertainty and risk. If penalties and disadvantageous are intensified for those that go rouge, then no one will go rouge and if no one goes rouge, then what's the point in even having a DZ? 

I'd hate to be one of those guys that just reply with "get better" but I took my own advice and did exactly that. Sure, you can say I have a job, kids, cant play all day, etc etc etc. Well guess what? I do too! Something you could do is farm phoenix creds from missions to get geared well enough to hold your own in the DZ and party up with others to increase the chance of survival. Most of the stuff you get from the DZ are garbage in comparison to H-E gear you craft from blueprints anyways.

Need help getting your character up to par? I'm on Xbox, shoot me a message letting me know you are from the forum and I'd be happy to help get you some phoenix creds. GT: Phamdohbreh

I think you might misunderstand what I was saying. I am not complaining at all really. I was agreeing with the OP and sharing my thoughts. I even stated in my post that I completely understand and understood before the game was released what it was going to be like. I fully support the Rouge system and the DZ. My suggestion was two parts. I may have not said it well. So let me try again. What I mean is simple, If you set up the system so it can be rewarding for you to go rouge but also be punishing. It's a two sided coin, on one side you will have the people who want the greater reward and are willing to put in the extra effort. On the other side  you will diminish the troll's who are not willing to put in the effort. If you make it so you have a high reward if you succeed at being rouge for a period of time as like you do if you go manhunt, But make it so you are risking a lot if you are killed as a rouge. Sort of the way it was set up in the beginning. Then it will effectively reduce the amount of children that do it just for laugh's.

The problem with the way they had it in the beginning was no one wanted to go rouge due to the HUGE loss of XP that could be lost if you where killed. That is not really a bad thing if they where to actually adjust the XP gained from being Rouge. You don't get very much if you survive, but you could loss a ton if you did get killed. That rite there was the problem no one wanted to do it because of the risk from dying. It also must be mentioned the game wasn't out long enough for most casual gamers to be far enough ahead in rank and XP in the DZ. That when and if you went rouge you really suffered. Maybe a different type of risk and reward system would have been better. As in a possible rare item granted since the two biggest parts of this game are the DZ and Loot.

I will be the first person to jump up and say I have been rouge and in manhunt many, many times. I am also guilty of jumping people, but I make it a point to only go after rouge's, or higher lvl DZ players then myself, as they may have better gear than me. The only time I ever pick on anyone lower than me is if there being a bad player and picking on other people. I also do not camp spawn points. which I have seen done, or camp extraction's which I have also seen done. Farming loot by killing players who are un able to fight back because they are in the middle of extracting is a bad player and a *ick move. It's also lazy.

As someone stated above, it is like any other MMO/PVP game, you are going to have the little kids (mentally and physically) who only care about this game because it the newest thing out. Once the new smell wares off they will move on.

I agree with you on one point though, If you are upset that you keep dying over and over by these types of players, you can fix the problem by becoming stronger and I will not say get better, I will say take some time and learn about the gear system, and how to build specific weapons the way they where intended to be used. Plus there is the tab that show you, your character stats in-depth, it is a screen that should be utilized way more than I see people using it.

If anyone is on the PS4 System and needs a partner or wants some help then by all means ask. PSN - KillaAkuma, just make sure you tell me why you are adding me, or you will probably not be added.

 

[Phamdohbreh]

if you set up the system so it can be rewarding for you to go rouge but also be punishing. It's a two sided coin, on one side you will have the people who want the greater reward and are willing to put in the extra effort. On the other side  you will diminish the troll's who are not willing to put in the effort. If you make it so you have a high reward if you succeed at being rouge for a period of time as like you do if you go manhunt, But make it so you are risking a lot if you are killed as a rouge.

Well see that's the thing. Make the rewards great, everyone will want the reward and you have rogues everywhere regardless how bad the punishment is which doesn't necessarily solve your problem since you still have tons of rogues around and those that have all they want are still bored and will still not mind going rogue. 

I, again, think the DZ is fine the way it is. It's meant to be competitive, fair or unfair. 

I also think most people are just bored at this point and have most of what they want so they go rogue just to get some thrill. I think your worries will lessen once the incursion drops. 

 

[Voyager42]

Tonight I really, really hate this game. Being met by 4 rogue assholes immediately at the game. Trying to team up with a group of guys who are not rogue. Help them take out a few enemies. Then have the 12 year old asshole come up and shoot you in the back. I don't have a group of friends to play with. Honestly, I have no friends. Ive tried getting in there and meeting people only to have this happen. Takes any fun out of the game to be honest. 

 

[tk2385]

I went in the DZ twice this morning to farm. The game makes you farm if you want to craft high end, lord know the bosses won't drop enough quality high ends. Both times I was killed by rogues. Once, I was near the checkpoint, in my menu. No loot, not fighting, just standing still. Is this fun for some people? Is it sporting? Next, I fought side by side with a guy to clear out a mob. I still had no loot. He attacked me from behind and killed me for apparently no reason. I don't understand the mentality of someone that was fighting side by side one moment, then cowardly killing you from behind the next. Two days ago, I came up on a guy that was stuck in cover trying to kill a boss. I cleared out the mob and knocked the boss down to almost dead. I stopped and let the guy kill the boss so we would both get the drop. After I picked up the loot, he sticky bombed me from behind and killed me. What's wrong with these people?? I have read most of Tom Clancy's books, and, based on those characters and themes, I don't think he would have liked his name attached to a game that promotes/rewards this kind of behavior. I love pvp, but I don't like this scenario where you don't know who the enemies are. The one who shoots first often wins (usually sneak attacks by cowards) and I don't want to be a dick and shoot someone that had no intention of fighting me. I feel like I will fall even further behind if I don't farm, but there are too many a-holes in the DZ. It's usually ok with a team of four, but many of my friends have grown bored with division already, so it's hard to put together a team. I don't know how to fix it, maybe a dedicated pvp area, or greater penalties for being rogue, but I know it's broken.

 

[Blazzen67]

I went in the DZ twice this morning to farm. The game makes you farm if you want to craft high end, lord know the bosses won't drop enough quality high ends. Both times I was killed by rogues. Once, I was near the checkpoint, in my menu. No loot, not fighting, just standing still. Is this fun for some people? Is it sporting? Next, I fought side by side with a guy to clear out a mob. I still had no loot. He attacked me from behind and killed me for apparently no reason. I don't understand the mentality of someone that was fighting side by side one moment, then cowardly killing you from behind the next. Two days ago, I came up on a guy that was stuck in cover trying to kill a boss. I cleared out the mob and knocked the boss down to almost dead. I stopped and let the guy kill the boss so we would both get the drop. After I picked up the loot, he sticky bombed me from behind and killed me. What's wrong with these people?? I have read most of Tom Clancy's books, and, based on those characters and themes, I don't think he would have liked his name attached to a game that promotes/rewards this kind of behavior. I love pvp, but I don't like this scenario where you don't know who the enemies are. The one who shoots first often wins (usually sneak attacks by cowards) and I don't want to be a dick and shoot someone that had no intention of fighting me. I feel like I will fall even further behind if I don't farm, but there are too many a-holes in the DZ. It's usually ok with a team of four, but many of my friends have grown bored with division already, so it's hard to put together a team. I don't know how to fix it, maybe a dedicated pvp area, or greater penalties for being rogue, but I know it's broken.

this type of PvP has been advertised since the beginning...even at E3 a year ago, it showed a video of this squad of 3 taking out a 2 member squad, after they took the two man squad out, one of their own team mates left the team, and took out his other two team mates..its been advertised that you do not trust anyone in the dark zone. so, dont go into the DZ alone, take a team of 4 trusted people with you. thats the best advise i can give you because they arent going to change the dynamic at all..no dedicated PvP area, they already had huge penalties for going rogue and they reduced it because no one was going rogue. you just have to adapt and over come.

 

[Voyager42]

I'm not sure i'd change it much. My frustration is mostly with people and how childish they can be. Its one thing if you are going rogue to pick up some nice loot. I get it. But last night I was killed and the loot was just left there and they moved on. Then the people waiting for people to come out of the gate. That's just being a dick. And if you are a group of 3-4 and you start targeting solo players, especially while they are trying to fight off NPC's, that's being a dick as well. The game should stay the same. I just wish people would grow up a bit. 

And finding trusted people to play with doesn't seem all that easy. I've helped people clear areas, cover an extraction......then teaming up and most of the time I get shot in the back. I've tried finding people online to meet in game through the forums or on Twitter with no luck. Like I've said before I don't have a lot of friends. So real life friends are out of the question.