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quinch1199

quinch1199

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Keep getting random crashes, complete failures and on restart the PC doesn't recognise there's a boot drive connected. Tonight it crashed and stated pretty clearly the issue was with the boot drive. 

"SMART Failure predicted on SATA_1: SanDisk SDSSDA120G"

"A failure may be imminent and cause unpredictable fail"

..i.e. my 120Gb SSD boot drive. 

After a couple of restarts...here I am on the same PC and its working ok at the moment. 

So, after believing the issue was with overheating and buying a new CPU Cooler...turns out it was my SSD (assuming everyone else here agrees) so I'm now shopping for a replacement! 

 
or disk controller...

or PSU

or sata cable (but not likely)

but you are correct, most likely a failing SSD, I assume the SMART utility is on the drive?

...gene

 
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Like gene said. I suspect a dying SSD. That, or you're S.M.A.R.T. software is being a dumbass. Or both.

Try replacing that SATA cable, and maybe plug in another drive if you have one spare.

 
genedjr said:
or disk controller...

or PSU

or sata cable (but not likely)

but you are correct, most likely a failing SSD, I assume the SMART utility is on the drive?

...gene
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Yeah, I believe SMART is but actually have no idea. 

I'll have to see how I can test the disk controller independently ...PSU is pretty solid (EVGA 500w) 

 
HawKShoT said:
Like gene said. I suspect a dying SSD. That, or you're S.M.A.R.T. software is being a dumbass. Or both.

Try replacing that SATA cable, and maybe plug in another drive if you have one spare.
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First stage is the obvious one...replace the SATA cable (trip to local shop tomorrow!).

No real spare drives, certainly none that haven't been in storage for a good while...so that would be the next phase, buying a cheap 500GB HDD as a boot for now. Shelving the SSD until the issue is diagnosed fully.

 
Whats more annoying... I was JUST starting a mission on the PTS running with the Global Event *cries*

 
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While anything is possible, SanDisk is a good high end company.  You had to have gotten the SSD really really hot to damage it.

If you have another disk for the OS, get SanDisk Dashboard.  That is their diagnostic and tuning tool.  I believe it can also "repair" bad spots by copying the data and removing those addresses from use.  That way you can probably save the SSD, that is unless it's the SSD controller that makes it look like a spinning drive.

But I am unsure it would be effective on the OS disk.

...gene

 
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Sooo - as I am a geek I did a little more research on SSDs to refresh what I know.  The bottom line is that SSDs have a limited number of write operations before they fail.

How old is that drive?  Can you provide the model number?  Different models use different tech to implement the SSD and the different tech have different lifespans.

If the SSD is old (4+ years) and you do alot of work on the PC with a fairly full OS disk - it could be the disk is just nearing its end of life or the low space for active files is running into a high count of writes and that count is triggering the failure warning.  The failure warning is to allow you to replace the disk without having to recover you data from a complete disk failure.  If anything on the disk is valuable, I suggest you back it up now.  Right now.

SSDs for Windows OS with 30%+ free space should last around 5 years at 10 hr/day use - more free space, longer life, as the internal controller software tries to balance out writes across free space and of course the old position of the data now becomes free space.  Some SSDs (SanDIsk for some models) have "extra" free space just for this purpose. To allow for spreading writes around.  

While there are many many videos out there, this short one is pretty good explaining SSD tech and life expectancy.




enjoy

On the cable - been working/playing with computers a very long time and used Sata from the beginning - unless visibly damaged, never seen one fail internally.  But your millage may vary.  I don't believe SMART would "predict" a cable failure.  Something else on the drive is acting up.

...gene

 
Oh really? I didnt know this limitation. The unit is: SanDisk SDSSDA120G its about a year old and is used as a primary OS boot drive only.

Replaced the cables and, at the moment, I've been on and gaming for the past two days without hitch so far...so odd. I'm not convinced I've solved the issue either but willing to accept a working PC currently lol!

 
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quinch1199 said:
Replaced the cables and, at the moment,
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Another thought - not a bad cable, but one coming loose.  That I have seen.  But still, SMART would not detect that.

quinch1199 said:
SanDisk SDSSDA120G its about a year old and is used as a primary OS boot drive only.
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With only a year it should not have issues "unless" it's crammed full.  Then there are fewer free blocks to move around, remember not file based, block based write management.  Again, get the SanDisk DashBoard - even if it can't repair the OS disk, it can look at it and tell you if anything is amiss.  I looked for a little bit, my Crucial SSD does have utilities to remap the drive for those things that are read alot but essentially never changed.  - check SanDisk.

Do you use this PC for anything but gaming and browsing?  120GB OS disk is very small for W10 and probably not usable with the new update of bloatware W10 creators update.  And like all windows OSs they seem to require 30% free to work efficiently - even with a 4TB sys disk - yep amazing....

...gene

 
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Firstly sorry for my absence from the Forums. I've been hit by a bout of illness AND officially was on vacation..typical how the two happen at the same time!

Currently fighting with a period of apathy meaning I'm not in a major gaming mood. On the plus side the PC is running flawlessly and the SATA cable change seems to have been the solution to my issues.

I really hope I shake this emotional downturn enough to come in for patch 1.7 release tomorrow!

 
Oh. daesu said:
Hate being sick during vacation time. It's just wrong. Clearly something wrong in the fabric of time and space when that happens .

Hope it didn't completely ruin your time off.
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Sucks doesn't it! Basically I was exhausted, when I finally stopped to have that holiday & rest my body decided it had time to make me really unwell. Pretty much killed all enjoyment of the time away for me personally...had to put a brave face on it for the family of course as I still had to go out and about, drive, "enjoy" the time but I was ill for virtually all the time and I'm only now starting to recover properly. 

I just now need to get my wriggle on and get my "keen" back for gaming! I'm back to the satatthecomputernotreallyknowingwhattodo phase currently though I've dabbled in a few games I've not played for a while (The Long Dark, Total War: Warhammer to name a couple). 

Fingers crossed though...my YouTube channel has suffered with a break in transmission as well because of this and I really want to keep that going. 

 
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