SOTG 12th July; Bullet Sponginess Acknowledged

[supercat]

Summary: We're aware. We're looking at it. Underground isn't rewarding? No 229 BP? Errr... We need to find out. We're looking at it.

I wonder if they ever actually looked at it before releasing the changes they made until now.

 

[Cpl vinny]

That was the most boring video I saw in my life. I fell to sleep

 

[Maximus]

If all guns are basically equal then what's the difference?  basically everyone has the same gun because it's all equal lol.   

 

[DeadSockPuppet]

If all guns are basically equal then what's the difference?  basically everyone has the same gun because it's all equal lol.   

I blame this on all the constant bitching that one weapon is OP or another weapon is the meta.  The only "true" way to 100% balance weapons within a type is to have all weapons in that type have identical stats and only vary in their models.  Mmm, what is a plain vanilla game for $500 Alex?

 

[RimBlock]

Some like the super fast fire rate of the LVOA-C, others prefer the slower rate with more punch of the AKs, some prefer the out and out damage of the G36.   There is room for different variations of the same category of weapon to suit peoples play styles.  The G36 was popular as it was head and shoulder better than any other AR in the game and was dropping like rain from loot and stashes.

I did a 3 phase Underground on heroic with a strong team and didn't touch my G36 at all.  I was quite surprised how I didn't miss it that much either as my shotty and marksnman rifle seems to work quite well with the support of the rest of the team.  Going alone the G36 would probably be more likely in my list of go to guns though.

 

[ESGN]

Some like the super fast fire rate of the LVOA-C, others prefer the slower rate with more punch of the AKs, some prefer the out and out damage of the G36.   There is room for different variations of the same category of weapon to suit peoples play styles.  The G36 was popular as it was head and shoulder better than any other AR in the game and was dropping like rain from loot and stashes.

I did a 3 phase Underground on heroic with a strong team and didn't touch my G36 at all.  I was quite surprised how I didn't miss it that much either as my shotty and marksnman rifle seems to work quite well with the support of the rest of the team.  Going alone the G36 would probably be more likely in my list of go to guns though.

Agreed, I didn't use my G36 near as much as I used to but if the situation called for an AR then I did.  I often switched my inventory between my G36 and my M1A. Where as pre-nerf, it was straight G36 for every situation.

 

[g1nt3r]

Maybe give different modals of guns different talents. So each gun can compliment a specific build. Boom, solved.

 

[Addihul]

The g36 nerf was important. It was THE AR to use and they drop like candy in the UG. Now we actually have 2 ARs to choose from lol. Welcome back LVOAC

 

[ESGN]

The g36 nerf was important. It was THE AR to use and they drop like candy in the UG. Now we actually have 2 ARs to choose from lol. Welcome back LVOAC

Don't forget about the M4 :10_wink:

 

[DeadSockPuppet]

Don't forget about the Tactical MK16  :10_wink:

FTFY

 

[Oh. daesu]

Pardon , if this was been posted elsewhere. Take that sponge...

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1471196

"Here is the list of changes to be implemented with the July 14th maintenance:

Modified PvP weapon damage modifier so players will deal about 20% more weapon damage to each other (note that this change does not impact skill damage)
Added more kill volumes to Dragon’s Nest map. When exiting the map area, characters will be automatically killed"

 

[DeadSockPuppet]

Pardon , if this was been posted elsewhere. Take that sponge...

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1471196

"Here is the list of changes to be implemented with the July 14th maintenance:

Modified PvP weapon damage modifier so players will deal about 20% more weapon damage to each other (note that this change does not impact skill damage)
Added more kill volumes to Dragon’s Nest map. When exiting the map area, characters will be automatically killed"

Thanks for the info, but whiskey-tango-foxtrot?!?  Why the hell will I want to go in the DZ now, since I had enough trouble in the past getting slammed by rogues?

 

[ESGN]

guess ill just have to be more aware of protecting our support player. which shouldnt be an issue imo

so nothing on npc sponginess?  im not sure this really changes much since pvp in dz5/6, the biggest threat is npc's.

 

[DeadSockPuppet]

guess ill just have to be more aware of protecting our support player. which shouldnt be an issue imo

so nothing on npc sponginess?  im not sure this really changes much since pvp in dz5/6, the biggest threat is npc's.

Exacltly, the community complains about one thing so they buff or nerf something else, seems legit.  

 

[ESGN]

i have a feeling there will be alot of complaints on this.  The tac in my group usually runs heal and pulse or heal and smart cover. this increase only makes the the tac with smart cover more of a threat in pvp.  this 20% increase just means the likelyhood of me 1 shotting a player with my sg goes way up (and i havent rolled responsive on it yet).

 

[supercat]

Is there any difference of what we would get from Sealed Cache which obtained from bracket 201 and 231?

 

[Oh. daesu]

Is there any difference of what we would get from Sealed Cache which obtained from bracket 201 and 231?

Or do they go by your gs# as per underground

 

[supercat]

Or do they go by your gs# as per underground

Interesting. I should run DZ 201 and collect those gold caches, then wear my higher level gears back before opening it.

Regarding 20% weapon damage for PvP, don't fudging tell me that they nerf that gun because of PvP (again)! Ffs. My G36 only has 7000ish damage now. Completely fell down beyond MK16 and UZI...

 

[ESGN]

Is there any difference of what we would get from Sealed Cache which obtained from bracket 201 and 231?

i believe it goes by what bracket, then what dz zone you acquired it in. i get 240 if i get a green cache from dz1 in the 231 tier and 268 if i get it in 5 or 6

 

[RimBlock]

Pardon , if this was been posted elsewhere. Take that sponge...

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1471196

"Here is the list of changes to be implemented with the July 14th maintenance:

Modified PvP weapon damage modifier so players will deal about 20% more weapon damage to each other (note that this change does not impact skill damage)
Added more kill volumes to Dragon’s Nest map. When exiting the map area, characters will be automatically killed"

Wow....

So Tanktician is too strong in DZ so lets make everyone else stronger to combat that, including any tankticians who are using the skill side to boost their and other players damage already.

Can't make a map that players cannot move outside of the engagement area so kill players who do so.

These feel like terribly planned (i.e. completely unplanned) knee jerk fixes.

For the first issue, they should go back to the table and come up with a decent medium term plan to realign the meta.  Ont he second one they should just design and test the maps better and then fix problems as they come up.

I believe the community is really starting to feel like King Sisyphus.

As a punishment for his trickery, King Sisyphus was made to endlessly roll a huge boulder up a steep hill.] The maddening nature of the punishment was reserved for King Sisyphus due to his hubristic belief that his cleverness surpassed that of Zeus himself. Zeus accordingly displayed his own cleverness by enchanting the boulder into rolling away from King Sisyphus before he reached the top, which ended up consigning Sisyphus to an eternity of useless efforts and unending frustration.

Oh it seems the G36 also had some stealth nerfs to its stability and other attributes which massive decided not to mention.

I tried my G36 last night and it was a bit more difficult to manage than before but still quite effective.  Hiding changes really erodes community trust though and they keep doing it.

Oh massive, why have you got your head out of the window telling everyone how you have changed and are engaging with the community whilst someone is pinning a "kick me" sign on your butts with these stealth changes.