So there is no general chat in the game? and other problems.

[TL Gamer]

As for the second half of your comment, this is a fan forum. It's not a forum sponsored by the developers.

That isn't relevant to the issue of lazy development. Any forum that touts this game cannot disregard any points I'm making as if they aren't a problem because my complaint in fact is part of the game.

I have found players who disregard this are just trolls. It amazes me how the issues I'm talking about get swept under the rug as if they aren't important or something I made up. it's time things like this start getting talked about and holding the game developers/designers accountable.

People want to complain that DLC, microtransactions and season passes are game designers creating problems to sell you solutions and putting out incomplete games, yet my complaints about the game isn't even playable without instructions isn't a valid point. People are out of their minds.

Just look at the video. It wasn't some player giving his input.

You still continue ignoring the point, PLAYER INFORMATION IS INVALID to the actual issue I'm talking about here I'm making.

You cannot push player information to cover game designers not providing proper in game information to allow someone who picks up a game to play it.

The information about switching guns should have already been explained to the player before arriving at the place I am in that screenshot.

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

The instruction is in that video isn't relevant. The fact is where I am in that screenshot is a mess. you're thrown into it. The first one did the same exact thing) The basics of the games function haven't even been explained yet, and unless there is messages from the game designers in the game onscreen as to what exactly is going on and some of the HUD , then there is nothing a player is supposed to be doing at all in that area.

Unless the game says what to do which it doesn't (Defend the area isn't valid because the player is not even told HOW or where that area even is) A player is not supposed to have played the first one or look something like this up in a video.

In the beginning of a game like where I am any game designer is supposed to inform the player on exactly what is going on. Since they don't then you cannot blame a player for not doing anything. I'm also sick to death of gamers saying why didn't you try this or why didn't you do that as if that is a valid comment. The question isn't why didn't someone try something, the question is why are people even trying anything.

No one should be doing anything at the point I am in the screenshot except standing around. Players who go ahead and try things are 100% in the wrong. Because nowhere is a player told to do anything. You cannot use what you personally choose to do to over ride and get around the fact the game hasn't told anyone to do anything.

You said that the game doesn't tell you how to switch weapons. I was just showing you proof that it indeed does.

As for not enough of the game systems being explained at the point where you took a screen shot... sure. Whatever. Like I said, the game has flaws but things do get explained along the way. They don't just leave everything for the player to figure out. You don't like that the game doesn't have a full instruction manual right at the beginning of the game. Okay.

They made a different design choice probably to keep players from feeling overwhelmed in getting hit with a ton of information right away. Was it the right decision? I don't know.

Should they have put a beacon in the dirt and told you defend that exact spot? I don't know. Maybe. I think it is pretty intuitive that they won't you to kill the guys shooting at you.

If you want a response from the developers about the design decisions, you should probably head over to their forum. They don't participate here.

Here is the link https://forums.ubisoft.com/forumdisplay.php/498-The-Division.

 

[TL Gamer]

You said that the game doesn't tell you how to switch weapons. I was just showing you proof that it indeed does.

It doesn't though. You've now taken what I've said out of context and applied your statement where it wasn't being talked about.

When I posted that picture and said the game does not show how to change weapons that is a 100% fact, because that screenshot shows where I am, so it's 100% clear I was referring to exactly where I was talking about and the time I said it.

When you said the game does tell the player, you never once said it explains it's past where I am in the picture. You only kept saying the game shows you how to switch weapons which is incorrect in accordance to where you were applying that statement in reply to my comment.

When you said the game explains how to change weapons it you were applying it was explained somewhere between when I entered the game to the point I am in that screenshot. You didn't change where the game said it until just now.

Stop taking things out of context and applying game instructions to a place they do not exist then saying the game says it.

if you had just said this in the very beginning, this wouldn't be a debate right now. That ius the exact reason why I said people need to just answer questions instead of side tracking the issue with pointless and invalid comments and information by applying what was said where it doesn't belong.

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

It doesn't though. Taken out of context.  When I posted that picture and said the game does not show how to change weapons that is a 100% fact because that screenshot shows where I am, so it's 100% clear I was referring to exactly where I was talking about and the time I said it.

When you said the game does tell you, I once again showed the screenshot and said no it doesn't. You cannot take a video that which shows how to change weapons Beyond where I am in that screenshot then say the game says it.

Your statement of the game saying it shows how to change weapons to where I am in the picture where it doesn't belong then trying  to use a video that shows a place I'm not even at yet to justify you being wrong.

I said the game explains how to change weapons. I never said it tells you how to change weapons at the spot where you are at. And again, as I said before, when I first responded to you, there were no screenshots. You added those afterwards.

The developers decided you did not need to know how to change weapons yet, but they do explain how to in the game. It is not some mystery you will never find. It's literally like 2 minutes ahead of your screenshot.

 

[TL Gamer]

Don't play semantics and manipulate this.

You said the game shows how to change weapons somewhere between when a player enters the game to the point I am in that screenshot. When i posted that screenshot you knew where i was, so trying to generalize your answer doesn't work, your answer is in accordance to my screenshot. Because it's the only place being talked about and shown.

Stop being manipulative, you full well knew what I was saying and where what I said applied. There was also several other things I pointed out in that picture that had not been explained yet. If someone shows a picture and said this isn't in here and it's a picture of Wisconsin, you cannot then talk about Maine acting like they weren't applying what they said to Wisconsin and say you just said it wasn't here and point out you acted like they were talking about the United States as a whole then say something like I just said it was here as if the picture of Wisconsin doesn't matter

Seriously, knock it off.

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

Don't play semantics and manipulate this.

You said the game shows how to change weapons somewhere between when a player enters the game to the point I am in that screenshot. When i posted that screenshot you knew where i was, so trying to generalize your answer doesn't work, your answer is in accordance to my screenshot. Because it's the only place being talked about and shown.

Stop being manipulative, you full well knew what I was saying and where what I said applied. There was also several other things I pointed out in that picture that had not been explained yet.

Seriously just knock it off.

Nope. I never said that. I had not seen your screenshot when you first posted because it wasn't there. You added it after my response. I assumed you were farther along in the game than that. Your screenshot is like the first 30 seconds of gameplay.

Now it is obvious you are just trolling.

Have fun. I hope you enjoy the game.

 

[TL Gamer]

Nope. I never said that. I had not seen your screenshot when you first posted because it wasn't there. You added it after my response. I assumed you were farther along in the game than that. Your screenshot is like the first 30 seconds of gameplay. 

Now it is obvious you are just trolling.

Have fun. I hope you enjoy the game.

You really are pathetic.

If someone shows a picture of Wisconsin and says something isn't here that clearly means what they're saying applies ONLY to Wisconsin. Any replies anyone makes to that are being applied directly and solely to Wisconsin.

You cannot then take a picture of Maine and apply it to what they said about Wisconsin and act like what they were talking about is something general

Your reply about the instructions are in the game, is saying that the instructions are somewhere between when the player enters the game to the point I am at in the picture.

You're a troll. and not a very good one

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

You really are pathetic.

If someone shows a picture of Wisconsin and says something isn't here that clearly means what they're saying applies ONLY to Wisconsin.

You cannot then take a picture of Maine and say yes it is, here it is in Maine and act like what they were talking about as if they weren't strictly talking about Wisconsin and you're obvious to that.

I posted a screenshot of a place the instruction isn't, and here you come along and post a video of instructions being in a place that isn't even related to the area I'm talking about. You then try to act as if your reply doesn't apply to my picture. When you replied to my points you are applying everything you said to where I am in the game and no place else.

You're a troll. and not a very good one

Again, when I replied to you there was no screenshot. I figured you had at least played up to the point where you reached the White House. The opening tutorial runs up to that point. 

You edited the posts and added the screenshot after I replied. 

That being said, nowhere before I posted that video did I say where exactly it told you how to change weapons. I only said it was in the opening tutorial. 

The video I posted proves I was right.

 

[TL Gamer]

Your original reply is for the area I was in. Your new reply with that video doesn't apply to this topic at all because  this topics refers explicitly to where I am in the game at the time this was posted. What happens after that isn't valid and doesn't matter. You cannot take information from outside the problem area and cram it in there as if it applies. Which is exactly what you're trying to do.
This topic is about where I am in the game and what the game says at that specific time, not any place AFTER that point. My comment very specifically states the game does not tell you how to switch weapons where I am which is where you were supposed to provide the game says it does as you made the claim

Anything outside the area I am doesn't apply. The game doesn't explain how to switch weapons because the place I am in that screenshot proves that. Go to that point in the game and you will see. You cannot take a place I'm not even at yet then try to use that to say the game does because that area and anything in it has no relation to where I show.

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

Your original reply is for the area I was in. Your new reply with that video doesn't apply to this topic at all because  this topics refers explicitly to where I am in the game at the time this was posted. What happens after that isn't valid and doesn't matter. You cannot take information from outside the problem area and cram it in there as if it applies. Which is exactly what you're trying to do.
This topic is about where I am in the game and what the game says at that specific time, not any place AFTER that point. My comment very specifically states the game does not tell you how to switch weapons where I am which is where you were supposed to provide the game says it does as you made the claim

Anything outside the area I am doesn't apply. The game doesn't explain how to switch weapons because the place I am in that screenshot proves that. Go to that point in the game and you will see. You cannot take a place I'm not even at yet then try to use that to say the game does because that area and anything in it has no relation to where I show.

Once again, you are making stuff up I did not say. No my original reply was not about where you were in that screenshot because there was no screenshot when you first posted.

Anyhow, where you are in that screenshot, yep there is absolutely no instructions about how to switch weapons yet. That comes later.

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

Anyhow, enjoy the game. It gets to be plenty of fun once you get past the first 2 minutes.

 

[TL Gamer]

Once again, you are making stuff up I did not say. No my original reply was not about where you were in that screenshot because there was no screenshot when you first posted.

Anyhow, where you are in that screenshot, yep there is absolutely no instructions about how to switch weapons yet. That comes later. 

That is irrelevant and unrelated not to mention doesn't apply where I am, A screenshot and any information I post about in a specific area applies TO THAT ARE A ONLY.

You cannot take information from a totally different area, that comes afterwards and apply it to where I am, then act like you proved me wrong.

Unless how to switch weapons are explained int he area I'm in, then the game does not explain how to switch weapons because what i said applies ONLY AT THAT POINT.

The game doesn't explain how to switch weapons.

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

That is irrelevant and unrelated not to mention doesn't apply where I am, A screenshot and any information I post about in a specific area applies TO THAT ARE A ONLY.

You cannot take information from a totally different area, that comes afterwards and apply it to where I am, then act like you proved me wrong.

Unless how to switch weapons are explained int he area I'm in, then the game does not explain how to switch weapons because what i said applies ONLY AT THAT POINT.

The game doesn't explain how to switch weapons.

Yep. The game does not explain how to switch weapons at the point where your screenshot is.

 

[TL Gamer]

Yep. The game does not explain how to switch weapons at the point where your screenshot is. 

Ok so what are you even arguing about then?

If I post a picture of Wisconsin, then any replies and comments made are applying automatically to Wisconsin and nowhere else.

You cannot then take information from Maine as if it also applies because someone asked for information that doesn't exist in Wisconsin with you saying it's still in the US and you just asked for that information..totally disregarding that what was asked for is clearly being asked from the confines of Wisconsin.

Pulling information from a place it's clearly not from then trying to apply it with the comment of well you just asked to show it while removing the context of where what was being asked applies to, is just silly.

Anyway thank you for showing where the game does say that after the area I'm in.

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

Ok so what are you even arguing about then?

If I post a picture of Wisconsin, then any replies and comments made are applying automatically to Wisconsin and nowhere else.

You cannot then take information from Maine as if it also applies because someone asked for information that doesn't exist in Wisconsin with you saying it's still in the US and you just asked for that information..totally disregarding that what was asked for is clearly being asked from the confines of Wisconsin.

Pulling information from a place it's clearly not from then trying to apply it with the comment of well you just asked to show it while removing the context of where what was being asked applies to, is just silly.

Anyway thank you for showing where the game does say that after the area I'm in.

But you didn't post a picture of Wisconsin or anywhere else. You added the picture after the post was up.

 

[TL Gamer]

But you didn't post a picture of Wisconsin or anywhere else. You added the picture after the post was up.

Nice try but the picture was posted within 10-15 seconds after I posted the topic.

2. You reply simply said it explains it.

3. The next reply was me saying it doesn't which at that time the picture had already been posted inside the topic which clearly dictates exactly where I'm talking about, so from that point on you cannot even argue anything you're saying now.

I also clearly said that using STATES AS AN EXAMPLE, the concept you're doing is the same as taking information from Maine, and trying to cram it into a topic about Wisconsin, while arguing the picture of Wisconsin doesn't exists and it wasn't being talked about.

Summed up:

You're talking information the game later on in a place I'm not at, and trying to use and apply the instructions from there, into where I am in the game. You cannot ignore where I am when asking that, then acting as if I said just where is it without a specific place I'm saying that.

You screwed up so accept it.

 

[Oh. daesu]

So much pinned on a snapshot

 

[Prvt3Jok3r]

Nice try but the picture was posted within 10-15 seconds after I posted the topic.

If only that were true, but it's not.

3. The next reply was me saying it doesn't which at that time the picture had already been posted inside the topic which clearly dictates exactly where I'm talking about, so from that point on you cannot even argue anything you're saying now.

I did not reload the page, so at that point, I still did not see the image. If you stay on the same page, IP Board will notify you if there is a reply and gives you the option to view the reply. It appends it on the bottom without reloading the entire page. So at that point, I still had not seen the image.

All that matters is the game does indeed explain the controls and game systems. You just have to keep going beyond the first few seconds. It doesn't lay out everything at the first moment you open it. It walks you along a little more gradually introducing controls and game systems along the way.

 

[Oh. daesu]

Any game will *walk you through* the mechanics. This argument is based on a snapshot of a whole game. Why ia an instant , so definitive. 

Any game is a discovery. One screenshot diminishes the discovery.

 

[Malcolm Kocinski]

I'm part of a clan on The Division 2 & don't team up much. I only use chat by text only. Since I don't have mike for Xbox one & I'm not much of a talker/chatter. I just follow my other teammates leads unless they are doing something wrong. Then I text them or leave the team. Then I go solo and start over again & that's about it.