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Brexit

Oh. daesu

agent provocateur
I'm curious about uk'ers (i. e. English, Scots, and the others) feelings about the Brexit. I'm just an Aussie, so, you know.. no posit (well not without the No Rules Forum)

There was the Scots referendum. They voted to remain in the uk. The vote to leave was predominantly welsh and english. Scots and northern Ireland were more remain a part of the euro. 

Then there is the generational division. What the youth miss out on as the oldies vote.

Personally, i think uk will regret and the next decade will be division as the implications come home to roost. However that is an easy judgment and my years tell me to not judgment with so little. 

Plus there's the voyeur titulated by the goings-on elsewhere.

 
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quinch1199

Dwarven Lord Under The Mountain
“Like others, the referendum had come down for him to a single emotional issue, that of Britain regaining sovereignty over its immigration policy. And this issue was so emotional and dominant for him that it totally crowded out a calm and comprehensive assessment of the multiplicity of factors in play.” - Mohamed A. El-Erian chief economic adviser at Allianz when referring to a friend who’d been pro-free trade all his life.

He goes on to mention that two potentially good outcomes are that the EU left behind will be more coherent and focused without the distraction of a UK who’ve never been fully committed to the ideas of the EU … also that this may be a wake up call for British politics to start some real affirmative action. Neither of these are positives really for the UK as a whole, certainly the first indicates that the UK is going to be significantly left behind economically. 

Personally, as someone who's a progressive Socialist, pro-free trade, pro-multiculture, pro-technology and science this whole thing has been a disaster. All that's already happened is exactly as the Remain camp warned of:

£ has fallen to a 30 year low (now only $1.32!!)

Stock market crash (still falling, FTSE250 down almost 1,000 points today!)

Property Market crash (average of £20,000 reduction in house values)

Division of the union, Scotland are going to split, Northern Island are also likely to press for devolution as well.

Steady and overt increase in racist attacks, verbal and physical and a general air of fear in the country.

Most of the "promises" (read: Lies) made by Britex camp have been withdrawn already with the fabled additional £350m NHS funding being one of the first to be retracted. A campaign based on fear wins over reason and rational thought. I can't say the Remain campaign was much better either!! Negative election campaigning on both sides for the last 50 years was again used and I think both sides got the result they deserved.

I am still unsure if any exit will even happen though, regardless of this result. Article 50 hasn't been invoked, can't until we have a new PM, may be further deferred until a General Election in November ... and at the end of that I feel the political establishment will still refuse to press what amounts to a button initiating a pre-emptive nuclear strike! 

As it stands I feel the political parties will drag this out in the hope the monkeys who voted for this crap get distracted by the latest adventures of the Kardashians and forget all about it.

...but Britex voters were told to "ignore the experts" ... so what do I know. I feel so bitter about it that I'm willing to let the UK drown in the hole of its own making and I've looked into emigration options for my family and I.

 
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quinch1199

Dwarven Lord Under The Mountain
In the hour since I typed that the fall continues ... GBP is now only $1.31 and FTSE 250 has dropped 1,134 so far today... hailed hero of Britex Boris is rapidly back-peddling by saying there'll still be free trade with the EU and Article 50 seems even less likely to be enacted.

Perhaps all this sham of a vote has done is prove that the Brits can no longer poke fun at Trump voters in the US and that we, as a nation, have got as much hidden racism and intolerance as some countries we often feign shock and throw ridicule at. 

...see, this is why we can't have nice things like nuclear fusion. 

 
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Oh. daesu

agent provocateur
Thanks for that. I was interested in a British person's perspective. I don't trust a lot of news for this type of thing, (same as how they paint Trump,).  However, I saw this map of the vote result. Very clearly, it shows the non-English(nor Welsh) felt differently, so it piqued my curiosity about what's going down over there.  Though, as @g1nt3r said, congrats to the British for having there say. So, not meaning to diss that. Since a picture speaks a thousand words, I'll stick the brexit map in. 

brexit-map.jpg


 
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g1nt3r

Death Otter
quinch I realize that it's going to hurt at first but GB will be better in the long run for it. The EU is going down the tube, its best to jump ship now, suffer for a little while and then be better later on instead of on your way into a black hole with the EU.

brexit_ben_garrison.jpg


an image to accompany my analogy

 

PandrewBear

New member
I'm American, so you're not really asking for my opinion, however, I just would like to say, good for Great Britain for voting for it's independence.
It was always independent, but it looks like now with the hard Brexit being pursued, it will truly be on it's own.

Ireland is an independent state, we want the benefits of free EU trade, so we'll have to take the good and the bad of being within the EU. Britain want to have all the good for no bad. Silly really. They seem to want to go to the old way of becoming an empire again.

Also, noteworthy that those who voted for a Brexit, were primarily over 50. Their days are numbered, yet they believe that this will be better in the long run. Whereas their children voted to remain in. There's an even more worrying division.

 

quinch1199

Dwarven Lord Under The Mountain
The continued hard right wing rhetoric and soundbites completely void of actual reality or content is getting painful to listen to now.

Apparently the UK will become a "world trade leader" ... HELLO! Hear that knocking? It's a small thing called RE-AL-ITY ... we are no longer a World power on our own in any sense of the words.

Strength can only come from unity.

Daily I feel like saying "fuck this shit, I'm off" and just fucking off to New Zealand to live in a cabin...and that twat Trump isn't making it any easier!

Its only the fact that I'd feel horrible uprooting my young family that keeps me here.  

 

DeadSockPuppet

Stream Machine
You could be living in a country that is about to inaugurate "a gameshow host from Queens" as our next president, as Bill Maher puts it.  



 

g1nt3r

Death Otter
On 1/19/2017 at 6:21 PM, DeadSockPuppet said:

You could be living in a country that is about to inaugurate "a gameshow host from Queens" as our next president, as Bill Maher puts it.  

I cannot stand Bill Maher, he sits on his echo chamber and just virtual signals like he's jesus for something.

 

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